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‘America's Test Kitchen' Is Better Without Christopher Kimball

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It’s been a little over a year since Chris Kimball abruptly departed the company he founded, Cook’s Illustrated, and its associated TV shows, America’s Test Kitchen and Cook’s Country. There were enough episodes of both shows in the can to get through 2016 without any changes, but when the new season of America’s Test Kitchen returned last month, Kimball was gone. And we’re just going to come out and say it: Without Kimball, the show is much better.

In its original incarnation, Kimball briefly introduced the show’s theme and then joined each of the two co-hosts, Julia Collin Davison and Bridget Lancaster (or the occasional supporting player), for separate cooking segments. He’d engage in some light banter as Davison and Lancaster prepared their dish, and would occasionally take an aside to explain a chemical reaction or something scientific if required. He’d also serve as guinea pig during Jack Bishop’s taste tests, trying samples and decreeing the winner.

Kimball’s presence wasn’t ever exactly off-putting or threatening, but he always came across as “the boss,” and he rarely, if ever, actually cooked anything himself. Even though he’d occasionally don a silly costume to set up a segment, he came across as relatively dull and humorless, and served as somewhat of a foil for the upbeat and bubbly Davison and Lancaster. He was “the voice of authority,” but the supporting cast had all the authority it needed.

Since Kimball departed, Davison and Lancaster have taken over all of his on-air duties, and in the few episodes that have aired so far this season, it’s a marked improvement. The duo, who had never appeared on the show together but had a history dating back to the first season in 2001, is now cooking together, and they have an easy, friendly rapport that lends the show a lighthearted tone. They’re on equal footing (Kimball’s presence had an uneasy “the boss is watching” air to it), and they genuinely seem to be enjoying themselves and each other’s company. Kimball’s departure also leaves an almost entirely female cast, which is also great to see.

You know how when your boss is out of the office, your workday gets a little bit easier and your mood improves a little, even though you’re getting the same amount of work done? That’s what America's Test Kitchen has become since Kimball left. The recipes are tested just as rigorously and are prepared with the same attention to detail as before, but everyone on camera appears to be enjoying themselves just a little bit more.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


America's Test Kitchen: The Post Christopher Kimball Era

Are you all still watching? At first I thought I would miss curmudgeon Christopher Kimball, but I really don't. I like Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson both separately and together. I'm really glad Julia grew out that Rosie O haircut though! I'm only sad that somehow the excellent America's Test Kitchen podcast is collateral damage and is no more. Not sure how Christopher Kimball's Milk Street project is working out and if he made the right choice (I love Sara Moulton though and I'm jealous she regularly appears on his podcasts). What do you all think of the new ATK?

I don't. For me, cooking shows have all the drama of watching paint dry. I know how to cook.

It's like sausage. I like to eat it (and know how to make it) but have no interest in seeing how it's made by someone else.

I love those two little porkers on ATK. I liked Kimball, but don't really miss him. His new show doesn't capture me either.

It's a good show but sometimes watching fat fraus drool over unhealthy food grosses me out. At the same time, this is a good diet tool because I don't want to end up obese.

I don't think they make unhealthy good - ATK's whole thing is they taste test recipes a number of different ways to get the home cook the best results. Christopher Kimball always seemed persnickety and unhappy to be there, but it was still the goose that laid the Golden egg. I don't get why he left. Julia and Bridget seem much more appreciative.

I prefer it more now. Kimball was strange and came off like an overcompensating beta male. Bridget especially is fun.

God I can't stand America's Test Kitchen or Cook's Country these days. Frau, frau, frau. I liked Bridget and Julia as sidekicks to Kimball. Bridget definitely knew how to keep him in line.

There are two new women on the programs now. a redhead and a tall, thin woman with brown hair. God, more fraus. The redhead's voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard and the brunette barely registers.

The men on the program all seem neutered.

I don't even care about the cooking these days, everything feels like suburban slop for busy Mommys. I saw an episode today and the big recipe was homemade pizza in a 12" skillet! How exciting! It looked like a frozen pizza when placed on the counter. Blech.

Kimball's "Milk Street" doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, but I find those recipes more interesting.

I've always liked them both separately - Bridget Lancaster and Julia Collin Davidson - but their schtick together is annoying and way too cutesy. It just seems like they are trying way too hard to be trendy and entertaining. I never liked Kimball but something is off about the show since he's been gone. It's not the lack of Kimball himself I think the dual host idea isn't working .

I do enjoy seeing more male eye candy with Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof.

As for Kimball's new show. It sucks. It has no idea what it wants to be. The recipes are rarely practical. Don't understand why it's still on. And I'm disappointed that Sara Moulton is lending her name and talents to a rather sleazy guy.

The more I think about it. It seems very amateurish now. It no longer appears or feels professional.

They tried to make it more accessible, and now all it seems like is a bunch of people got together and decided to put on a show in their kitchen for a few laughs. Not literally, of course, but that's the general feel.

Bryan and Dan are both hot

The reasons for Kimball's departure are covered in detail all over the internet. Basically he lost controlling ownership of the TV/publishing conglomerate he started after a couple divorce settlements and due to creative differences - Kimball has baby tastes, basically, and the show had an all-white cast - the corporate board removed him from his executive position, then fired Kimball after they learned he was using company resources to start a competing business

The ironic thing is that Kimball hates spicy food, and his new show is all about spicy food. His new show is definitely on-trend with Asian/international flavors and heat. And again, this is innovative. Most cooking shows, and especially late ones, are traditional and familiar. His new cast is . adjacent is the best way to describe them. Nobody stands out racially, but few seem real white either. Vermont doesn't see a lot of minorities.

ATK has had a great run, how long now? Almost 20 years. Everybody involved should be proud of themselves. The recipes are good, but are often overcomplicated. I have used the baking recipes a lot where being exacting helps. But for cooking, I probably haven't used more than a half-dozen ATK or Cook's Country recipes in my life.

Dan should be in every single episode.

I never got into Kimball at all, but I'm enjoying the large amount of newer material ATK has on YouTube. Bridget and Julia are very enjoyable and witty hosts, and YouTube viewers may have noticed the 'kickers' or tags on the end of some of the YT clips and shows where they flirt with each other. These are 2 happily married fraus, presumably. (22:30 in clip).

I love ATK. I have several cookbooks and the recipes are great for the most part. It seems like Bridget and Julia have blossomed without Chris.

But my favorite is Bryan Roof. I just think he's adorable. And it looks like he's been beefing up a bit. Too bad he's straight. But it's nice that Dan plays for our team.

I like Julia and Bridget better than Chris K. but I like Chris K's Milk Street recipes better.

Of rest of the cast, I like Elle, Lisa, and our Danny Boy.

The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

His Milk Street show is unwatchable. I haven't been interested in a single recipe he's featured this season. It's all about exotic food and ingredients from places like Africa and Malaysia. It reminds me of when Martha Stewart's last PBS show based upon the food of the Middle East. It's just bizarre.

I think some well heeled Middle Easterners funded MS's Arabian Peninsula cooking project as a PR or vanity project.

Those recipes were great, but ridiculously complicated and insanely expensive. Every week featured a half oz of saffron, several helpings of cardamom, expensive meat and fish, and vanilla BEANS bitches, because Muslims don't do alcohol as is found in vanilla extract.

Those recipes were perfect for Muslim shut-in women who can't drive and have nothing to do all day but make 15-step recipes.

[quote]The show is much better without Kimball. It has a breezier feel. The cooks used to be uptight around him because he constantly needed his ego stroked.

You NAILED it. The cooks, especially the tall thin one with brown hair, seem much more comfortable without Chris around.

The first time I saw Julia and Bridget I assumed they were a lesbian couple. I believe they mentioned they were once roommates.

[quote]Dan should be in every single episode.

Dan should be in every single segment.

Dan may be straight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnXYf4pdIos

I like the show just fine without Chris. Milk Street is very blah. His assistant chefs are not great fun, and, Chris' apron : one of the worst colors one could ever imagine.

Chris would always make a sour face at the test kitchen chefs and act like he didn't like their food. They seem more relaxed with him gone.

I thought Dan was straight?

That little Asian chef who's in segments now is hot, too.

Keith is heavenly. Bryan is hot, too. They don't need shirts to cook, though.

Dan Souza, Keith Dresser, and Bryan Roof. Handsome men. Love the way they talk about food/cooking.

The assistant chefs on Milk Street act like they secretly loathe Chris. They all smile through gritted teeth, just like they used to do on ATK and Cook's Country.

I haven't seen any new Cooks' Country shows recently. Is it still in production?

I continue to like both this show and Kimball’s new show. But man, when the chef Katherine on his show starts a segment with him, I have to mute the volume. Her voice is the most annoying-sounding thing on earth. —More than even Nick Stellino’s!

Am I the only one that watches either the old or new show and disagrees with the chefs just to be contrary? There’s something smug and annoying about them always claiming to have the best recipe, and making you go through all the extra steps. Did they finally get rid of those annoying guitar chords during the waits?

All the cooking shows make it look "easy". The banter is the only reason I watch.

I've always like Julia and Brigette, and they just keep getting better. I also enjoy Lisa, the strange little gadget girl. It's as if the odd loner from high school found her niche. Dan's segments are best, and most informative about food science.

What I stupid with most cooking shows, but less so with ATK, is the insistence of unsalted butter and then adding salt as an ingredient. WTF?! Tragically trendy or could one taste the difference?

I also don't like the kosher salt kraze. "Motor oil is motor oil," in my book.

Why is Dan's smile often crooked?

I know he's like the executive producer or something, but that Jack guy who does the tastes tests with Julia and Bridget is tough to look at. I think it's the gummy smile he has pasted on his face. Seems intelligent though.

R36 I think the argument is that you can better control the salt level of a dish this way, but I'm not that sophisticated and I'm not buying two different types of butter.

The level of salt in salted butter isn't standardized in the US. Hence the foodie suggestion that you begin with unsalted. If the recipe uses unsalted, I usually reduce added salt by half when I use salted butter, then 'season to taste' at the end. This generally works fine.

Dan is the epitome of normal. Yeah, his left lower lip sags, but usually, they film him from the right. Besides, nothing normalizes a guy like a big ugly flaw. Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

Dan is just my type. Adorable.

[quote]Sure, he's straight, but as he has said in the past, "that's the way your God made me. Maybe next life, I will be gay."

I don't know about now, but the short fat blonde used to be thinner and unmarried, and a lesbian bar I visited in Toronto had a blown up photo of her on one wall.


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